{"id":76943,"date":"2026-05-26T08:00:36","date_gmt":"2026-05-26T06:00:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/?p=76943"},"modified":"2026-05-20T14:51:58","modified_gmt":"2026-05-20T12:51:58","slug":"backrooms-conversa-entre-eloy-fernandez-i-rosa-a-cruz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/ca\/magazine\/backrooms-conversa-entre-eloy-fernandez-i-rosa-a-cruz\/","title":{"rendered":"The Backrooms: Conversa entre Eloy Fern\u00e1ndez Porta i Rosa A. Cruz"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Per tancar aquest cicle de publicacions sobre els <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/ca\/magazine\/the-backrooms-del-passadis-infinit-al-paisatge-psiquic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, he convidat el meu amic Eloy Fern\u00e1ndez Porta a conversar una estona sobre el tema. Vaig saber immediatament que era la persona indicada per a aquesta trobada perqu\u00e8 sempre he admirat la seva capacitat per retenir referents heterogenis i tra\u00e7ar connexions inesperades entre ells. A m\u00e9s, moltes de les preguntes que travessen aquests textos formen part de les seves l\u00ednies de treball des de fa anys, com l&#8217;ansietat estructural, que aborda en el seu assaig <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/anikaentrelibros.com\/los-brotes-negros\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Los brotes negros<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, o la manera com el capitalisme modela la psique col\u00b7lectiva, que va explorar al comissariat de <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/nuriagomezgabriel.net\/index.php\/2022\/04\/24\/narcohumanismo\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Narcohumanisme<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><b>Rosa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Al meu text he intentat pensar els <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> no nom\u00e9s com un g\u00e8nere de terror viral, sin\u00f3 com una met\u00e0fora del malestar contemporani: espais repetitius i despersonalitzats on l&#8217;amena\u00e7a no s&#8217;encarna, sin\u00f3 que s&#8217;experimenta com a desorientaci\u00f3 permanent. La pand\u00e8mia va cristal\u00b7litzar aquesta sensaci\u00f3 de forma brutal. De cop i volta, habit\u00e0vem espais suspesos: el m\u00f3n es va convertir en una versi\u00f3 real dels <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. I aix\u00f2 va deixar una empremta generacional profunda. No era nom\u00e9s a\u00efllament, era una suspensi\u00f3 ontol\u00f2gica.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Crec que hi resideix part de la seva viralitat. Moltes persones joves van recon\u00e8ixer immediatament aquesta sensaci\u00f3: la sospita d&#8217;estar atrapades en una realitat que sembla funcional per\u00f2 n&#8217;ha perdut el sentit. Per aix\u00f2 et voldria llan\u00e7ar una pregunta des del principi: qu\u00e8 diu de la nostra societat que tota una generaci\u00f3 hagi convertit un passad\u00eds d&#8217;oficina buit en el seu imaginari del terror?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Eloy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> El que planteges convida a pensar la condici\u00f3 est\u00e8tica contempor\u00e0nia com un immens <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backroom<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> que s&#8217;est\u00e9n per all\u00f2 f\u00edsic, digital i, per descomptat, la psique. Els <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> s&#8217;inscriuen en all\u00f2 que podr\u00edem anomenar est\u00e8tiques de l&#8217;abs\u00e8ncia. Aquesta por sense objecte t\u00e9 a veure amb qu\u00e8 hem estat educats per pensar en termes de pres\u00e8ncia: la metaf\u00edsica occidental \u00e9s, en gran mesura, una metaf\u00edsica de la pres\u00e8ncia. Per aix\u00f2 la fascinaci\u00f3 i la dificultat que ens provoquen certes tradicions orientals centrades en el buit. L&#8217;abs\u00e8ncia emergeix aix\u00ed com un nucli que desestabilitza les nostres maneres de mirar i de pensar. Una de les transformacions m\u00e9s profundes del gir digital ha estat, em sembla, la reformulaci\u00f3 de la relaci\u00f3 entre abs\u00e8ncia i pres\u00e8ncia, fent visible l&#8217;abs\u00e8ncia com a font d&#8217;inquietud.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En aquest sentit, una obra clau \u00e9s <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carceri_d%27invenzione\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Le Carceri d&#8217;Invenzione<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> de Piranesi: presons gegantines i ca\u00f2tiques, sense a dalt ni a baix, sense centre ni perif\u00e8ria. Recordo l&#8217;impacte que em van causar en estudiar-les amb Rafael Argullol, que les interpretava com a primera crisi de l&#8217;ordre esc\u00f2pic heretat del Renaixement. Jo afegiria que aquests espais funcionen tamb\u00e9 com a llocs de c\u00e0stig ps\u00edquic: escenaris infernals on busquem una figura que mai no apareix. No sabem qui est\u00e0 pres; potser som nosaltres mateixos com a subjectes moderns. Si aquesta crisi cognitiva arrenca amb Piranesi, els <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">podrien ser una de les manifestacions contempor\u00e0nies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Rosa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> S\u00ed, tant les presons imagin\u00e0ries com els<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> backrooms<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> coincideixen en la dislocaci\u00f3 i la desmesura de l&#8217;espai arquitect\u00f2nic, aix\u00ed com en l&#8217;abs\u00e8ncia de figures. Crec que avui aquestes caracter\u00edstiques ressonen especialment perqu\u00e8 connecten amb el proc\u00e9s espectral del nostre temps. Ja no \u00e9s nom\u00e9s l&#8217;abstracci\u00f3 financera del capitalisme. Les amenaces difuses s\u00f3n constants, com ara el col\u00b7lapse clim\u00e0tic, la precarietat laboral, o les relacions despersonalitzades.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tamb\u00e9 \u00e9s inevitable pensar en Freud i all\u00f2 sinistre com all\u00f2 que \u00e9s familiar i estrany alhora. Vet aqu\u00ed la clau: no ens espanta tant l&#8217;Altre extern, sin\u00f3 aquest Un altre que habita en nosaltres mateixos, reprimit i irreconeixible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Eloy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Totalment. Aquesta din\u00e0mica entre all\u00f2 familiar i all\u00f2 estrany apareix en molts \u00e0mbits, per\u00f2 de forma molt clara en la relaci\u00f3 de parella. Pensava, en llegir-te, a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wakefield_(cuento)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Wakefield<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> de Nathaniel Hawthorne. \u00c9s un relat curt en qu\u00e8 un home, despr\u00e9s de fingir que se&#8217;n va de viatge, s&#8217;instal\u00b7la a prop de casa seva per observar en secret la vida de la seva dona sense ell. \u00c9s com si hagu\u00e9s viscut un exc\u00e9s d&#8217;intimitat i calgu\u00e9s retirar-se per observar des d&#8217;una dist\u00e0ncia objectiva.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Aquesta par\u00e0bola es pot rellegir a la llum del que planteges: a l&#8217;era digital, el subjecte sembla preferir contemplar abans que participar, la dist\u00e0ncia abans que el contacte directe, la mediaci\u00f3 t\u00e8cnica abans que el cara a cara. Aix\u00f2 que moltes vegades s&#8217;ha interpretat com una manca personal es localitza ara en tantes persones que ens hem de preguntar si hi ha una ra\u00f3 cultural.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Una altra variant de<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Wakefield<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00e9s <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/ca.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carretera_perduda\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Lost Highway<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> de David Lynch. A la pel\u00b7l\u00edcula els protagonistes reben enregistraments de casa seva des d&#8217;una mirada externa i an\u00f2nima. \u00c9s molt coneguda aquesta escena en qu\u00e8 l&#8217;home misteri\u00f3s s&#8217;acosta al personatge de Bill Pullman en una festa i li diu que truqui per tel\u00e8fon a casa seva i \u00e9s el mateix home misteri\u00f3s qui respon. El terror s&#8217;activa precisament aqu\u00ed, a l&#8217;exposici\u00f3 involunt\u00e0ria de l&#8217;espai \u00edntim.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Rosa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> M&#8217;agradaria saber qu\u00e8 opines de la relaci\u00f3 dels<\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> backrooms<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> amb el capitalisme tard\u00e0. Jo crec que la connexi\u00f3, m\u00e9s enll\u00e0 de l&#8217;obvietat d&#8217;oficines buides i passadissos, es dona des del punt de vista psicol\u00f2gic, des de la repetici\u00f3, la desorientaci\u00f3 i el bucle. Caracter\u00edstiques que fan refer\u00e8ncia a l&#8217;ansietat, la hiperdisponibilitat o la suspensi\u00f3 permanent. Aix\u00f2 connecta amb la idea d&#8217;espai liminal com a llindar entre estats. Per\u00f2 avui vivim en una liminalitat cr\u00f2nica: no estem travessant una transici\u00f3, sin\u00f3 que hi estem instal\u00b7lades.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Recuperant Fisher o Bifo Berardi, que van identificar la depressi\u00f3 com a s\u00edmptoma estructural del capitalisme, podr\u00edem aventurar que l&#8217;ansietat \u00e9s el s\u00edmptoma del capitalisme postpand\u00e8mic, de plataforma i d&#8217;intel\u00b7lig\u00e8ncia artificial. Produeix aquest sistema tamb\u00e9 una est\u00e8tica espec\u00edfica del malestar?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Eloy:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Caldria matisar que la depressi\u00f3 ha existit en diferents sistemes pol\u00edtics. La lectura de Fisher \u00e9s suggeridora, encara que una mica presentista. S\u00ed que encerta, en canvi, en vincular-la amb els ritmes laborals. Aix\u00f2 ens fa parlar de formes d&#8217;opressi\u00f3 que no s\u00f3n exclusivament capitalistes. En qualsevol cas, crec que una noci\u00f3 clau \u00e9s la d&#8217;expectativa. Al capitalisme de plataforma, la hiperactivitat, la sobreproducci\u00f3 i l&#8217;estr\u00e8s s&#8217;han naturalitzat fins a un punt que inevitablement condueix al col\u00b7lapse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Rosa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Una part important dels meus textos era desmuntar la idea que els <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">nom\u00e9s s\u00f3n un fenomen d&#8217;internet, proposant una genealogia visual que connecta l&#8217;obra de Kane Parsons amb artistes com Seraf\u00edn \u00c1lvarez, Gregor Schneider o Kay Sage. Els <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backrooms<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> dialoguen amb la psicoan\u00e0lisi, el surrealisme, l&#8217;arquitectura cr\u00edtica o la instal\u00b7laci\u00f3 contempor\u00e0nia. Coneixes altres exemples on l&#8217;arquitectura es treballi des de la seva dimensi\u00f3 emocional?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>Eloy<\/strong><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">:<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> En llegir-te vaig pensar a <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.larrysultan.com\/gallery\/the-valley\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Valley<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> de Larry Sultan, una s\u00e8rie fotogr\u00e0fica sobre cases d&#8217;un suburbi californi\u00e0 utilitzades per a rodatges pornogr\u00e0fics als noranta. \u00c9s una investigaci\u00f3 sobre el significat de la llar i la fam\u00edlia. Sultan examina perqu\u00e8 l&#8217;ideal de domesticitat de classe mitjana es presta a aquest tipus d&#8217;escenificaci\u00f3. Per ell, \u00e9s una s\u00e8rie profundament malenconiosa perqu\u00e8 revisita llocs de la seva inf\u00e0ncia i joventut, per\u00f2 alhora \u00e9s una revisi\u00f3 de la performativitat del cinema X on els actors apareixen en moments posteriors a l&#8217;acci\u00f3, gaireb\u00e9 com a personatges de Hopper, amb un aire existencial.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Rosa:<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> \u00c9s clar, \u00e9s que m\u00e9s enll\u00e0 de l&#8217;escenari de terror, l&#8217;arquitectura ens pot parlar dels nostres malestars i inquietuds de formes molt m\u00e9s subtils, per\u00f2 igual de precises. La domesticitat escenificada o la malenconia latent en un espai aparentment familiar, com el que comentem, poden activar la mateixa sensaci\u00f3 d&#8217;estranyesa i desorientaci\u00f3 que un <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">backroom<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. En tots dos casos, la identitat sembla descompondre&#8217;s lentament: all\u00f2 familiar deixa d&#8217;oferir refugi, les coordenades que organitzaven la nostra experi\u00e8ncia esdevenen inestables i la realitat quotidiana adquireix una qualitat inquietant dif\u00edcil d&#8217;anomenar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Amb aix\u00f2 crec que podem tancar. Moltes gr\u00e0cies, Eloy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">[Imatge destacada: <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carceri_d%27invenzione#\/media\/Archivo:Giovanni_Battista_Piranesi_-_Le_Carceri_d'Invenzione_-_Second_Edition_-_1761_-_14_-_The_Gothic_Arch.jpg\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Giovanni Battista Piranesi, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Le Carceri d&#8217;Invenzione<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Segona edici\u00f3,\u00a0 1761, Princeton Univeristy Art Museum<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">]<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Per tancar aquest cicle de publicacions sobre els backrooms, he convidat el meu amic Eloy Fern\u00e1ndez Porta a conversar una estona sobre el tema. 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