{"id":26585,"date":"2019-06-24T06:00:38","date_gmt":"2019-06-24T05:00:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/a-desk.org\/magazine\/la-saciedad-del-espectaculo\/"},"modified":"2019-08-02T19:29:27","modified_gmt":"2019-08-02T18:29:27","slug":"la-saciedad-del-espectaculo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/en\/magazine\/la-saciedad-del-espectaculo\/","title":{"rendered":"The Satiety of Spectacle"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">A friend of mine is dressed up as a chip asleep on the floor at an art fair, along with fifteen other people, similarly dressed up, lying in a circle and sharing a round blanket shaped like a fried egg. This is the work by the Lolo and Lauti duo (Lautaro Camino and Lorenzo Anzo\u00e1tegui) for the last arteBA fair: the performers are supposed to sleep at the fair, wearing their collective fancy dress of egg and chips, but in order to do so they have to make sure they don&#8217;t sleep beforehand: Lolo and Lauti flood them with invitations to parties and discos to guarantee they spend the night awake. The days go by and the reviews pour in: the duo&#8217;s social media are crammed with comments, memes and internal jokes. Weeks later, in a group chat, we got together to discuss this and other phenomena. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 Tell us how you became an art duo, not only as artists but also as personalities, something closer to the idea of media entities,<i><\/i>celebrities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 Hello all, we&#8217;re Lolo and Lauti, performers and video artists. We met at a party and worked together nine years ago, in 2011. We use spectacle a lot as artistic material. There are obviously many signs of this, aren&#8217;t there? Of the language of celebrities or the language of the media \u2026 <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 We forged our alliance, Lolo and Lauti, with secret and dramatic ends we shan&#8217;t tell you about, but we&#8217;ll sum it up for you.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 We&#8217;ll send you an animal power of a quote &#8230;<i><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">(They send me a clip from the film <i>Chicago\u00a0<\/i>(2002), starring Catherine Zeta-Jones and Ren\u00e9e Zellweger, where Velma [Jones&#8217;s character] persuades Roxie Hart [Zellweger] to join her to form a duo of convict dancers.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 On the other hand, I was trying to determine your possible local references and was thinking of figures from the sixties, a period in which the idea of the artist as a star was more widespread. I was thinking of Marta Minujin, Dalila Puzzovio, Edgardo Gim\u00e9nez, etc. But you have closer ties with the world of television, or even of the Internet, from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telebajocero.com\/la-foto-retro-moria-y-susana-n2976\">Susana and Moria<\/a> to memes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 Our favourite artist of the sixties is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=g6Y5znL8LRU\">Nacha Guevara<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 In other words, our favourite Argentinean artist is of the sixties and is Nacha Guevara.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 Of course we like Minuj\u00edn, Gim\u00e9nez and all the rest, but the only artist related to performance, the artist who is our reference for performance and for what could be done in the discipline is Nacha. Before performance art was called performance art Nacha was already practicing it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti &#8211; Last year we went to see Nacha at the Gran Rivadavia theatre, where she performed the songs she would never sing again, a show about the legendary Di Tella [art centre].<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 We have other more recent national references.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo and Lauti \u2013 Susana and Moria, of course!<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 A friend once asked us what we would do if YouTube disappeared, whether we&#8217;d be out of work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 I also think that you embody a very Porte\u00f1o identity that at some point was reflected on Argentinean television. I mean reflected as Moria reflected it, for instance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 Both of us are very Porte\u00f1o like Lauti, we love these cultural aspects of Porte\u00f1o identity that come and go and remain. I think they&#8217;re very useful: Mafalda is an example of something that was all-pervasive in Argentinean culture and we didn&#8217;t think anything interesting had been done on the subject. And there are a lot of other things too.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"760\" height=\"570\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26326\" src=\"http:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/03-e1560676361575.png\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo and Lauti, <i>Mafalda<\/i>. Single-channel video, 3 &#8216;, 2018<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 In turn, when I see your videos I think they could well form a part of the compilations of\u00a0the funniest videos on the Internet, etc. Your works often have to do with memes and the way in which images and contents circulate on social media. It&#8217;s a bit like what happened with <i>Me huevo loca\u00a0<\/i>(the work they presented at this year&#8217;s arteBA). I suppose the idea was that what was supposed to happen actually took place, went viral, that we all shared the photo, the story, that it had a massive impact, etc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 We didn&#8217;t intend it to go viral, although we find that sort of perception inspiring; sometimes it&#8217;s just a coincidence that it should go viral. In a performance called<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=B4VVzry04XM\"> <i>iSexy\u00a0<\/i><\/a>a couple of years ago, for instance, we used virtual reality devices and simulated sex scenes in the middle of the fair. A story about that went viral, appeared in Reddit forums and became a meme, transcending us \u2014 a meme that wasn&#8217;t even associated with us. But of course, the objective of an art fair is to create a work that stands out, which means it&#8217;s Instagrammable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/B4VVzry04XM\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 What Lolo says is true; the objective obviously wasn&#8217;t for it to go viral, just that it be a fine work, but we had had the experience of an earlier viral work and, as Lolo says, we learnt from our participation in fairs that what you have to make for at an art fair is a conspicuous work, a work that can be seen from afar, that is attractive. Producing a work for a fair isn&#8217;t the same as for an exhibition, a living room or a museum. But it would be na\u00efve to say that we didn&#8217;t know it would be the centre of attention in social media.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 On the other hand, what we want to do with everything we produce is turn it into a performance. It&#8217;s like when you copy a drawing, you draw it again. But instead of drawing it again, we do it through a performance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 Personally, in the case of the work with the egg I feel like having it at home, inviting my friends around to dress up in the chips costume and use the blanket egg, I mean to really carry out the performance.\u00a0 And thinking of collecting, I&#8217;d like to know what kind of collectors purchase your art, how it works. On the other hand, in connection with what is said about the way in which you carry out an idea through performance, I come across another element that calls our attention as post-millennials \u2014 the idea of living in a state of permanent performance, of thinking over everything we do, even if we don&#8217;t even formulate it in terms of artworks, from a performative dimension. That&#8217;s why I think you are among the artists who young people find most interesting nowadays, because you use a method that has a lot to do with our way of seeing both art and things in general, and we empathise strongly with that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 What you&#8217;re saying is very interesting at a generational level, because we could say that the people who have purchased our performances, so to speak, still haven&#8217;t recreated them. The intention is always to re-enact them, with other performers \u2026 <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 In other words, for the time being our works are in storage, waiting: those who bought them \u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 &#8230; can re-enact them, with other performers or with us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 But there&#8217;s something very interesting that Lolo just said, that he&#8217;ll say now \u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 \u2026 that it&#8217;s generational. That it&#8217;s incredible you should say that if you were a collector you&#8217;d carry out the performance again with your friends\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 Absolutely, because a collector in his forties wouldn&#8217;t dream of repeating it \u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 We want to live in a world of post-millennial collectors who start doing that, but also because your generation is characterised much more by cosplay, drag and clearly by performance, don&#8217;t you think? Above all, it&#8217;s a generation that understands performance more as a philosophy for viewing art than a specific medium. And art in general is performance. That&#8217;s a more philosophical subject, but I think that post-millennials understand performance in a more philosophical way, not unrelated to other artistic practices.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 And what sort of activity do you practice, apart from your role as artists? As curators, in the Perfuch annual event you organise every year at UV Estudios, for example. What&#8217;s it like to curate performance art? I infer that there is an idea of an expanded experience and a sense of community as a working method in these activities. And last but not least, speaking of UV, tell us what sort of space you discovered there, because UV transcends the conventional art gallery and becomes much more persuasive in cultural and social terms, opening up a whole new way of relating to art here in Buenos Aires. The place it now occupies was empty.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo and Lauti \u2013 For us, curating and UV are one and the same, they go hand in hand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 UV is a space we created with Violeta Mansilla in 2015. It began as a place that welcomed artists&#8217; studios and ended up mutating into an art gallery. What you say is true, there was an empty space although we didn&#8217;t think it was there for the taking, we just felt there was no space for us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"760\" height=\"507\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26329\" src=\"http:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/04-e1560676492795.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo and Lauti, <i>Rafa y Lisa<\/i>, 2016<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo &#8211; As Lauti was saying, UV was originally a place for artist&#8217;s studios and residencies. The first thing we did as curators was to invite the B\u00e1sica TV threesome (made up of Uruguayan artists Emilio Bianchi, Luciano Demarco and Guzm\u00e1n Paz) to come to Buenos Aires for their residency.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 When they completed the residency, B\u00e1sica TV stayed on. We all agreed they could live there, and we closed the residencies due to lack of space.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 That year we had to start to provide UV with content in order to create a community, as you were saying, and give people we found interesting \u2013 artists, DJs, whatever \u2013 a meeting place. That marked the beginning of a year in which we curated around fifteen shows and did so with the idea of showing things we liked that had no space in art galleries. The first show we curated was a solo exhibition of works by Eduardo Hoco. We knew Hoco by night and loved what he did at parties, amazing installations, but we had the feeling that nobody outside the world of nightlife paid any attention to him, that his works were like accessories to parties, and we wanted to give him a space of his own. Hoco came first and was followed by a thousand other things. All that led to the only event we now curate, Perfuch, an annual performance event based on how proud we are of our community and of how proud we are of the art scene in Buenos Aires and in Argentina. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 As curators we try not to curate artists who resemble us, or what we do, one hundred per cent. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 Yes, we also like it when there&#8217;s something we don&#8217;t understand, as is the case with young artists for instance, either for generational reasons or because we turn to different languages or work in different circles that we don&#8217;t understand either. We like that \u2014 not understanding what we like.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">DB \u2013 And what are you working on now?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 We&#8217;ve just come from showing at the Latin American Art Museum of Buenos Aires, MALBA, our version of <i>Carmen<\/i>, the film we made with drag queens in Panama &#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"760\" height=\"428\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26332\" src=\"http:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/07-e1560676936837.png\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo and Lauti, <i>Carmen<\/i>, video opera, 2018<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 We&#8217;re working on that and then, in September \u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 We&#8217;re doing a show \u2026 <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo and Lauti \u2013 \u2026 at the National Bicentenary House &#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 It&#8217;s a commission, we were commissioned to make an adaptation of Debord&#8217;s <i>The Society of the Spectacle<\/i>\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lauti \u2013 There&#8217;ll be a bit of everything. Susana Gim\u00e9nez 3D! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"Normal1\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Lolo \u2013 Susana Gim\u00e9nez 4D!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.telebajocero.com\/la-foto-retro-moria-y-susana-n2976\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"770\" height=\"732\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26335\" src=\"http:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/0000063949.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/0000063949.jpg 770w, https:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/0000063949-768x730.jpg 768w, https:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/0000063949-421x400.jpg 421w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A friend of mine is dressed up as a chip asleep on the floor at an art fair, along with fifteen other people, similarly dressed up, lying in a circle&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2630,"featured_media":26341,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_relevanssi_hide_post":"","_relevanssi_hide_content":"","_relevanssi_pin_for_all":"","_relevanssi_pin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_unpin_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_keywords":"","_relevanssi_related_include_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_exclude_ids":"","_relevanssi_related_no_append":"","_relevanssi_related_not_related":"","_relevanssi_related_posts":"","_relevanssi_noindex_reason":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[6005],"tags":[],"coauthors":[6579],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v22.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The Satiety of Spectacle &#8211; 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