{"id":40137,"date":"2023-01-16T07:30:33","date_gmt":"2023-01-16T05:30:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/?p=40137"},"modified":"2023-07-10T11:25:08","modified_gmt":"2023-07-10T09:25:08","slug":"me-arte-un-recorrido-por-la-historia-de-nuestros-cuerpos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/en\/magazine\/me-arte-un-recorrido-por-la-historia-de-nuestros-cuerpos\/","title":{"rendered":"Piss of Art: A Journey Through the History of our Bodies"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"footnotes_validation_error\"><p>WARNING: unbalanced footnote start tag short code found.<\/p><p>If this warning is irrelevant, please disable the syntax validation feature in the dashboard under General settings &gt; Footnote start and end short codes &gt; Check for balanced shortcodes.<\/p><p>Unbalanced start tag short code found before:<\/p><p>\u201cPara un an\u00e1lisis en detalle del \u201ccuerpo-AP\u201d (For a Detailed Analysis of the \u201cBody-AP\u201d): \u201cBeing just their hands? Personal assistance for disabled people as bodywork\u201d (Garc\u00eda-Santesmases, et al., 2022)\u201d<\/p><\/div><p style=\"text-align: right;\"><strong>Title of the Work:<\/strong> You can hold it in, so do it<br \/>\n<strong>Credits:<\/strong> Elena Prous (text), Sara Llorente (personal assistant) and Eko S. Mu\u00f1oz (exhibition body),<br \/>\nCSC cuerda.sedici\u00f3n.cuerpos (ropes) and Gabi (camera)<br \/>\n<strong>Technique:<\/strong> Video 9:03\u2019 Performance<br \/>\n<strong>Place and Date:<\/strong> Carabanchel, 2022<\/p>\n<p><strong>Laura:\u00a0<\/strong><span lang=\"EN-US\">Well, now that we\u2019ve caught up a bit, let\u2019s get to work. We are here to discuss this awesome problematization of the <i>crip<\/i> body that is \u201cYou can hold it in, so do it,\u201d a performance currently on at the ONCE Biennial of Contemporary Art <\/span>[n]https:\/\/bienal.fundaciononce.es\/[\/n].<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:<\/strong><span lang=\"EN-US\">\u00a0In my book\u00a0<\/span>[n]<em>El cuerpo deseado: la conversaci\u00f3n pendiente entre<\/em> <em>feminismo y anticapacitismo <\/em>(Garc\u00eda-Santesmases Fern\u00e1ndez, 2023), Ka\u00f3tica libros, Madrid[\/n] I talk about your blog &#8220;Scatologies of an Outraged Cripple&#8221;, and I say: \u201cThere, Elena Prous dares to address all the thorny issues that have to do with impairment: urinary and fecal incontinence, vulnerability, suffering, pain, shame\u2026 but also the issue of sexuality and desire.\u201d All of this has been reflected in your <em>perfo<\/em>. My question is: why did you feel the need to move from text to performance?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong><span lang=\"EN-US\">Wow, I just had a d\u00e9j\u00e0 vu. This reminds me when you interviewed me for your doctoral thesis\u00a0<\/span>[n]Garc\u00eda-Santesmases Fern\u00e1ndez, A. (2017). <em>Cuerpos (im)pertinentes: Un an\u00e1lisis <\/em>queer-crip<em> de las posibilidades de subversi\u00f3n desde la diversidad funcional<\/em> [Doctoral thesis, Universitat de Barcelona]. <a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10803\/402146\">http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10803\/402146<\/a> [\/n]\u00a0<span lang=\"EN-US\">(laughs). The <i>perfo<\/i> arose as a result of the <i>Jornadas Cojas, Transfeministas y otras Rarezas<\/i> (Cripple, Trans-feminist and Other Oddities Days)\u00a0<\/span>[n]<a href=\"https:\/\/www.laneomudejar.com\/jornadas-cojas-transfeministas-y-otras-rarezas\/\">https:\/\/www.laneomudejar.com\/jornadas-cojas-transfeministas-y-otras-rarezas\/<\/a>[\/n] in which we met queer activists and began to think together. Specifically, we wanted to combine my fear of talking about incontinence, what that meant for me, with the fact that, in the end, I could not go to leisure avenues because I needed someone to catheterize me. And, since in the <em>perfo<\/em> I did not want to piss in public myself, we switched roles, so that my partner did the pissing, and my assistant was still the one who helped, while I read the text.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong>And why didn&#8217;t you want to catheterize in public? I find it strange because you talk of very personal, intimate and literal things in your blog. There is an honest and wrenching revelation of everything that has to do with your body.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong>I did not get catheterized because of a sense of shame. Writing opens a channel for me that allows me to expose myself. With <em>perfo<\/em>, I would have to face that exposure every time. On the other hand, if you write it down, people might find the blog again two years later and I will not be still suffering: that revelation remains there but I did not have to embody it. Before functional disability, I was raised with a very powerful taboo about nudity, so I guess I need to talk about things but not through my own body. But, let\u2019s see, what do you think? Why do not I dare to show my pussy?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Laura:\u00a0<\/strong>[Laughs] For the same reason that almost no one has the guts to do that. But I found it very interesting that, here, this sense of shame with regard to putting your body under the spotlight could be seen as a way of reproducing the ableist norm. However, it was simultaneously subversive since a person who normally has another role ended up showing her body. Not only is it subversive because of who gets catheterized, but because normally, the disabled body is the one that must do the emotional work of hiding issues that are considered shameful or exposing and explaining them to reduce the discomfort they generate in abled bodies.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/en\/magazine\/me-arte-un-recorrido-por-la-historia-de-nuestros-cuerpos\/mearte_fotograma-2\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-40038\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"506\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-40038\" src=\"http:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MeArte_fotograma-2-e1672831285581.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MeArte_fotograma-2-e1672831285581.jpg 900w, https:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MeArte_fotograma-2-e1672831285581-595x335.jpg 595w, https:\/\/a-desk.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/MeArte_fotograma-2-e1672831285581-768x432.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena: <\/strong>In the context of the performance, the catheterized body is called \u201cexhibition body\u201d. It\u2019s a body that doesn\u2019t matter. Everything the audience sees is a pussy that is catheterized. What is the matter if the pussy is not mine? Does it generate more expectation and curiosity? Fuck it, I already wrote the thing, I already revealed myself. Do I also have to use my body? [laughs]. This makes me wonder putting my body under the spotlight is right or wrong,<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong>Hmm\u2026 I was also wondering what does seeing a body with functional diversity using a catheter to pee versus seeing another kind of body do to the audience? I think it matters a lot and affects how the audience receives the whole thing. The fact that it is Eco\u2019s body generates a game in which, as Laura said, positions shift and the catheter makes a performative, playful, experimental point. This is disruptive because it moves away from predictable and medical registers where \u201ccatheters are for those who cannot piss like normal people.\u201d But, at the same time, I think it perpetuates a bit of the \u201cmystery\u201d around the diverse body as something unimaginable. Well, I do not really know, it does not seem better or worse to me (laughs).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong>This has been a process. As time went by, we concluded that the other bodies in the performance also matter. At the beginning, they were completely covered and wore a ski mask. In the latest version, Eco comes out naked, blindfolded, and she also begins to show her dissident body. We were like, \u201cgreat, because this means you also want to tell a story by exposing your body.\u201d And, Sari, who is the personal assistant (PA), did nothing besides catheterizing me, In the latest version, she opens the performance with a short speech.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong><span lang=\"EN-US\">I also find it interesting that the \u201cbody-AP&#8221; (personal assistant)\u00a0<\/span>[n]Para un an\u00e1lisis en detalle del \u201ccuerpo-AP\u201d (For a Detailed Analysis of the \u201cBody-AP\u201d): \u201cBeing just their hands? Personal assistance for disabled people as bodywork\u201d (Garc\u00eda-Santesmases, et al., 2022) [n] <a href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/full\/10.1111\/1467-9566.13567\">https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/full\/10.1111\/1467-9566.13567<\/a>[\/n], goes from making a merely instrumental and silent appearance at first, as if she was a tool, and then she becomes embodied over time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong>This performance has brought an alliance to the fore and has become a journey through the history of our bodies.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong>So there is the title: A Journey Through the History of our Bodies.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Laura:\u00a0<\/strong>[Laughs] I was thinking that the journey of bodies that Elena mentioned blurs the question of alliances. In the idea of an alliance, it seems that there are two or more parties that come together. Here, as the artistic piece was being produced, it was no longer clear who had alliances with whom and for what reason. It is no longer that the <em>crip<\/em> body allies with the queer body. Several bodies were moving through various positions.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong>Yes, there is a transition because at first it seems like the goal is to help destigmatize the <em>crip<\/em> body, and then it is actually the non-binary body that wants or needs to be somewhere else. Elena, how has the work been received in different places? Have you had different kinds of feedback?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena<\/strong>:\u00a0The first two times, when we did it in squats, it came as very striking to the audience. I think that people acted as a mirror with their own bodily and medical processes. People told us that they were a bit shocked with the violence of the medical procedures and with the difficulty. What effect did it have on you? That is also interesting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Laura:\u00a0<\/strong>The performance was amazing, but the title, <em>Aguanta t\u00fa que puedes<\/em> (\u201cYou can hold it in, so do it\u201d), reminded me of the tension between the \u201cprivileges\u201d and \u201cdenied rights\u201d that Lionel S. Delgado points out in this article [n]<a href=\"https:\/\/www.elsaltodiario.com\/opinion\/existen-los-privilegios-masculinos-[\">https:\/\/www.elsaltodiario.com\/opinion\/existen-los-privilegios-masculinos-<\/a>[\/n].\u00a0I was concerned that able-bodied people would get the idea that they should be grateful for having the alleged privilege to pee wherever they want, unlike others, rather than outraged that peeing is a right often denied to disabled people. We do not need them to redeem themselves by holding in their piss, but to build an alliance so that no one has to.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong>Precisely for this reason, at first, we pointed our finger at those who have the \u201cprivilege of pissing\u201d and then we toned it down. How did you feel, Andrea?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:<\/strong>\u00a0I was pleasantly shocked. I saw it at the Reina Sof\u00eda Museum. Everything was very theoretical and suddenly you all appeared. You were very sexy in leather leggings and tied up with <em>shibari<\/em> ropes. It had a lot of energy, passion, there was desire on the move, you worked so well with each other. To me, it resonated with <em>cripness<\/em>, with dissent and with being disruptive from a place of joy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong>In the end, I think this work has something important that has to do with this \u201cHow can we talk about this with different kinds of people without Elena being the only one who exposes herself?\u201d It\u2019s cool how when you see the performance, you feel the alliances and desires.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong>Exactly. I also find it interesting that the title of this article, \u201cA Journey Through the History of our Bodies\u201d, is in fact a nod to Laura\u2019s body and mine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena<\/strong>:\u00a0Right, how are your bodies under the spotlight here? (laughs).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Andrea:\u00a0<\/strong>Hmm\u2026 I was thinking of conveying why we are writing together and having these conversations. It is not that I was asked to write a text one day and I searched for activists on the Internet to write it with. This was possible because we bring our bodies together in a daily basis, there is a friendship, a relationship that makes us reflect on all these topics non-stop, and hence this text and others <span lang=\"EN-US\">[n]<\/span>Full previous text: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.elsaltodiario.com\/opinion\/diversidad-funcional-si-no-merecemos-vivir-ahora-como-vamos-vivir-despues\">https:\/\/www.elsaltodiario.com\/opinion\/diversidad-funcional-si-no-merecemos-vivir-ahora-como-vamos-vivir-despues<\/a>[\/n]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Elena:\u00a0<\/strong>Exactly. Otherwise, it seems that theorists just invent analyses but in reality, these are also the result of an alliance.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Laura:\u00a0<\/strong>Of course, there is nothing like thinking among friends.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Title of the Work: You can hold it in, so do it Credits: Elena Prous (text), Sara Llorente (personal assistant) and Eko S. 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